Wednesday, May 31, 2006

General Chat no 6

What a great response yesterday, that's what i started the blog for. It's only by debate that we can convice people we are right, Please keep coming back every day. I check the blog 2 or 3 times a day to see what's been posted.

52 Comments:

Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite: "Phillip Bryant can't be bothered to argue"

Too true, you simply cherry-pick my words and twist them to suit yourself. End of.

Spellcheck: that's philip with one "l".

12:16 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

Philip Bryant

Changed your mind about an argument after all?

Perhaps you will explain how the Association of Black Police Officers can be accurately described as racist but the BNP, who will not allow black people to join it, that expresses a view that the white race has inherently different characteristics from other races, cannot be described as racist.

12:30 pm  
Blogger spiv said...

To quote from the BNP website, on the "Join" page:

"Membership of the British National Party is open to those of British or kindred European ethnic descent. While we welcome contact and co-operation with nationalists and patriots of other races, and with the many non-whites who also oppose enforced multi-racialism, we ask them to respect our right to an organisation of our own, for our own, as we respect and applaud their measures to organise themselves in like fashion".

Marmite, not once have the BNP ever asked me what the colour of my skin is. So give it a rest pal, you're only making youself look rather foolish.

12:45 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite...

I will not respond to your twisted rantings after this post....

I asked you how you define racism, until I know that I will not fall into your pathetic little trap of giving you the pleasure of saying something predictable like.."ahhhh, so all you BNPers hate blacks". And I cannot speak for the BNP.

As for the Association of Black Police Officers I simply pointed out that they are never refered to as racist by the media.

Now get a life.

12:59 pm  
Blogger wdgglgleuug4y9 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

2:13 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

philip bryant

"I will not respond to your twisted rantings after this post...."

You do make me laugh. That's what you said last time but you can't help yourself can you, because to do so would allow me the last word.

Why should anyone be interested in my definition of racism? Don't you have any dictionaries?

I know what it means and so do you.

This argument about the meaning of words is a tactic you lot employ that I've already commented on.

Spiv thinks it's racist to have an association of police officers. I take it you don't but you think the BBC/media ought to.

Neither of you will answer my question though will you.

2:14 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite...

Just as soon as youv'e answered some of mine. If I believe a human is more inteligent than a dog, does that mean I hate dogs. Yes or No.

Given that racism is the most over-used word in the English language it would be helpful if you could supply your own definition to enable the smooth flow of debate you seem to insist upon. Why should any of us answer your questions when you evade ours?

2:33 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

Philip Bryant

We're going around in circles mate aren't we. See you're bringing back the dog analogy. For what purpose? Are you trying to say in some way that the white race is more intelligent than other races but that doesn't mean to say you hate other races? As you've already denied that you think the white race is superior I've no idea what point you're trying to make, unless you've slipped up and you do, in fact, think the white race is inherently more intelligent. And I more than suspect that you do.

2:45 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite...

You're right we are going round in circles...coz that's what trolls do...they never answer a straight forward question.

If you would kindly answer at least one question put to you we could ascertain which planet you're from, coz it certainly isn't earth.

3:21 pm  
Blogger wdgglgleuug4y9 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

3:27 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

Ok Philip, I'll answer one of your questions

"If I believe a human is more inteligent than a dog, does that mean I hate dogs."

The Answer is, of course, no.

Now, in return, would you like to exlain the analogy? If you can't, or wont, perhaps one of your pals will.

3:43 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

scotland...

These trolls are tricky f*****s...this one enjoys running round in circles....wonder what he hopes to achieve by that.

3:45 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite...

The analogy is simple, what you call a "racist", or "white supremicist" is likewise not necessarily motivated by hatred.

3:48 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

But you are neither a racist or a white supremacist are you. You just bring up the analogy to show a bit of support for such people. I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

3:55 pm  
Blogger blueboy said...

What do i have to do , to get my comments published on other blogs, I have posted comments on Peter Hitchen's blog and on Sky's live at 5 and i wrote about the muslims in both, result Nothing. I thought we have free speech, some hope

4:01 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite...

When you stop running in circles perhaps we can crack on with the debate, I've propsed that racism isn't necessarily a consequence of hatred, and if I'm right I think you have accepted that.

Now, would you like to ask me a question, or should I ask you another?

4:02 pm  
Blogger spiv said...

Blueboy, you are now starting to see the power of control, why not all views are being fully aired and discussed in this country, and why we are only fed certain news and information.

Note the difference between Nick Griffin's blog and Sky, he is not censoring comments. Freedom of speech is gradually being eroded, that is why it is so important that we speak freely where we can. Don't get disheartened though, freedom of speech has not yet disappeared completely.

What is the address of Peter Hitchen's blog? I admire and agree with Hitchens in much of what he says in his documentaries &
would like to read what he has to say.

4:24 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

Philip

Let me ask you something.

Racism isn't necessarily a consequence of hatred no, that is far too simplistic.

You seem to deny being a racist, and you deny that the BNP is racist.

I wonder why you feel it necessary to speak for a group you don't belong to. As far as I can see, the only racism you accept is "anti-white racism".

Are these anti-white racists the ones you seek to explain & understand with the dog analogy? Or is it NF supporters or US White Supremacists?

4:36 pm  
Blogger wdgglgleuug4y9 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

4:48 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite..."You seem to deny being a racist, and you deny that the BNP is racist"

I still don't know what you mean by "racist"...please explain.

4:58 pm  
Blogger spiv said...

I'm a dogist, I own a very intelligent brown labrador, and presumably because she is brown, that makes me racist as well.

I could have had a black one when we were choosing a puppy, but I felt that was just too un-PC, and people like Marmite Dave might then have no excuse to call me a racist.

5:00 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

Philip

Here's a couple of definitions I'll run with. In return, will you tell me your definition of racist?

Racism refers to beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race. Sometimes the term is also used to describe the belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities, or that individuals should be treated differently based on their ascribed race.

Racism is the theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined or influenced by race.

These next two statements are cut & Pasted from the BNP website.

We therefore believe that the myth that “we are all the same under the skin” will soon be as discredited as its feminist equivalent.

the peoples of Western Europe in general - and of these islands in particular - to create and sustain social and political structures in which individual freedom, equality before the law, private property and popular participation in decision-making, is to some extent at least genetically pre-determined.

Those statements, added to the declared intention of the BNP that it will encourage repatriation of black UK citizens, leads me to conlude that the BBC, or anyone else, describing the BNP as racist, is not an unfair description.

Will you tell me what you agree with / disagree with?

5:37 pm  
Blogger spiv said...

Anybody else bored with M/Dave??

5:42 pm  
Blogger marmite dave said...

Spiv

It's only by debate that we can convince people we are right, Please keep coming back every day

says Blueboy.

I'll be off then, & you can all get back to agreeing with yourselves. Just remember though, no-ones more bored than us & the others monitoring this blog.

5:52 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite..."Racism is the theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined or influenced by race."

This is the closest I can find to my own personal view on race in your examples given above. However, White Rose put it just about right in an earlier post, which I'm sure you've read....if you have'nt, I will be happy to post it again here...

5:57 pm  
Blogger blueboy said...

Spiv, you asked for the address of Peter Hitchens blog, here it is http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ I also agree with him, most of the time. What do you think of Richard Littlejohn,I agree with most of what he say's, but i did not like it when he wrote that the BNP were all racist scum. We are not scum, we are proud to be British and we wish to remain so. Not to be taken over by another culture.

6:27 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

Marmite,Afro Carribeans always under achieve at school,while the Japanese excel with their results,(fact)so our children under perform academically, as we come about mid table,i guess that gets rid of this white supremacist nonsense,that you would love us all to be,like i said earlier,go and look at the Labour party (your heroes)for the real racists,they are the reason why Nationalism is growing,soon you will be outnumbered,if not already,so hurry along and get Blairs autograph before he is a distant memory and a stain in our history books.

6:45 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite...

Sure you don't want the last word...??

7:05 pm  
Blogger spiv said...

I understand that a professor at Leeds University recently lost his job because he stated that black students achieve less academically than white students. This is fact - borne out by statistics, but, of course, can't be said as it is racist!! And many Indian students achieve far more than white students.

In the book "The Retreat of Reason" the author refers to the debate about the increase of HIV positive being diagnosed in the UK. The Blairy PC brigade put this down to teenagers not protecting themselves during sex, but it is actually due, and many doctors, I understand, confirm this, to the increase in Africans coming into this country!! Oh, what a racist remark, but, of course, proper debate cannot be held without the likes of M/Dave ranting on with inane arguments about "racism"!!

Perhaps, once these clowns come to their senses, (if they ever do) we can once again engage in proper debate in this country without all being labelled and slandered

7:06 pm  
Blogger spiv said...

Sorry Blueboy, forgot to thank you for the link to Hitchens' site. It will make an interesting read.

7:10 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

Marmite,have you ever considered joining the Labour party and standing for Parliament,you would fit in well,all that false interest,subterfuge,general false inquisitivness and then(DRUM ROLL)HA HA FOOLED YOU ALL,I AM THE INQUISITION,YOU SHALL BE BURNT AS RACISTS,BECAUSE I SAY YOU ARE!.Nice one Dave,i wonder how old you are,it was very playground like,no offence meant.

7:15 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

Blueboy,chalk Marmite up as your first double agent,what a sneaky so and so,i bet he will be telling all his friends how he risked all by infiltrating the BNP, and exposed the terrible crimes committed in our name,oh David can i have your babies you hero,im all moist at the thought,you dashing man of mystery,how did you survive.

7:31 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

shieldwall...

Marmite lives in another world...not what you and I would call home...

We have a freak on our hands...please be gentle...(-;

7:45 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

Marmy...please don't go..."I'll be off then, & you can all get back to agreeing with yourselves. Just remember though, no-ones more bored than us & the others monitoring this blog."

So what about the 'Debate", d'you recall?...the one on racism?...hey...Marmy............

Think he's gone...!

Can't wait for "the others" to kick-in.....

7:55 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

Marmy....

I'm kinda missin ya pearls 'o widom...innit...

Check 'dis out.....

"Another one bites the dust"....

Troll on, dick face....

8:17 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

marmite...

Did you find "dick face" offensive?

Welcome.....I find "racist" offensive.....you're call.!

8:35 pm  
Blogger blueboy said...

What does Marmite Dave mean, who is monitoring this blog. I'm not worried, let them look, I've done nothing wrong, he may disagree with the comments posted and that is his right but it is also my right to publish this blog and to give my friends, Philip,shieldwall,white rose and spiv and the rest, a place to debate and i am going to keep doing that, as long as the demand is there.

8:45 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

Blieboy,Marmite, and the few that agree with his views are a product of Blairs brainwshing,they have only got blinkered vision,everything else is evil,the omly problem they have got is that their views are in the minority,and who`s fault is it?,their political idol,Blair.Let them observe,that is all they do,they are observing the erosion of their country,and doing what they do best,NOTHING.They are limpwrists,with no fight in them,they are a disgrace.

8:59 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

BLOODY HELL,excuse the spelling errors,SORRY

9:00 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

shieldwall/others...

Debate has become heated...
Jaws offset...
Why care now....?
I've never cared yet!

Ring a bell?

9:01 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

blueboy...

Good always overcomes evil...just watch this space!

9:07 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

I bet the little marxist twerp lives in a hideously white area!.

9:12 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

Blueboy,keep up the good work,dont let them worry you,they are nothing but little students etc...pretending to be revolutionaries for the "oppressed minorities"

9:23 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

shieldwall..

Carefull with the 'hideous', only lefty is allowed to use such language...they call it 'newspeak' or summit like that. There's me thinkin' Orwell was a lie! Makes ya think, dunnit?

9:27 pm  
Blogger shieldwall said...

well im off,early morning for me,i am on DIY duties,speak to you all tomorrow some time,phil keep an eye open for those trolls,and see them off.

9:40 pm  
Blogger Philip Bryant said...

shieldwall...

blueboy = 40+...and rising...
BNP= 0.....and falling...(How many posts today?).

What do you deduce from the above?

9:50 pm  
Blogger srb0 said...

Is it just my imagination, but every time you get someone who opposes the idea of keeping our traditions, they cannot come up with either a)Facts or b)reasoned debate!
We are the start of some waking up of the population of this great nation, lets just hope the alarm bells start to ring for the majority before it's too late.

6:50 am  
Blogger wdgglgleuug4y9 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

7:08 am  
Blogger wdgglgleuug4y9 said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

7:34 am  
Blogger spiv said...

Blueboy, you state "who is monitoring this blog. I'm not worried, let them look, I've done nothing wrong, he may disagree with the comments posted and that is his right but it is also my right to publish this blog"

I feel sure that the media, political workers, politicians, police and maybe intelligence agencies would monitor Nick's blog, and maybe they might keep tabs on this and others as well (not that I think Marmalade Dave is from any of these areas). However, none of us are doing anything illegal, we are merely discussing freely our opinions and beliefs. Much as Blair would wish we only discussed his doctrine, nevertheless, we are a free nation, so ignore what that clown M/Dave (and no doubt others) says.

The thing which makes me laugh more than anything is that any of the above people, particularly the politicians, must be very concerned in learning that many BNP members are ordinary citizens and not skin headed "racist" thugs!! If I were Blair, Cameron etc I would be extremely concerned to learn that ordinary people are moving to the BNP. That is their 'achilles heel', and is, of course, the reason why their only weapon is to keep extolling to the many non-thinking 'couch potatoes' in this country to not vote BNP. That shows very clearly to me just how concerned they are.

8:14 am  
Blogger spiv said...

By the way, woke up this morning to see the news which made my day, "Two Shags" Prescott is 'giving up' his grace & favour home paid for by you and I.

What breathtaking arrogance these people have. Mind you, he still keeps his two Jaguar cars, his 'shagging pad' at the Admiralty House, his £133,000 salary (is any politician of any ilk worth that??), all paid for by us.

Giving up his extravagant house is not enough for me - Oh Gawd, I feel another 'e-mail to Blair' feeling coming on.

8:31 am  
Blogger stansted said...

I don't like it, it's quiet,... too quiet!.

The silence is deafening, here we are, just over one month on,from the ground breaking local elections of the 4th May 2006.

In the aftermath of an astononishing performance by the BNP, when the mould of present politics was broken, (or am I getting carried away here?) the silence from that breath-taking performance is deafening. Why?

Is it me again? surely, everywhere, there are signs of cracks appearing, even if only miniscule, question marks are beginning to appear in the most unlikely of places as to the wisdom of Multiculturalism.

Make no mistake, it is only the stand up bravery of the BNP during those elections that have levered a wedge between the then unspeakable and the now ever increasing debate on immigration, the BNP are the Dambusters, the cracks are appearing.

If you accept that this is indeed the case, why is there such a deafening silence from the BNP heirachy? Not a dickey-bird, zero, zilch in the way of triumphalism or barely an acceptance of a breakthrough.

Surely, you would think the BNP would follow up their dazzling success with with a barrage of attack to the gobsmacked elite, but no, again silence.

What is going on? Have they been 'got at'? or are they keeping their powder dry? or what?

Any suggestions?

1:36 pm  

Post a Comment

<< Home